Fal barrel timing. This, along with filing the Barrel shoulder, did the trick.

  

Fal barrel timing. draginfish Well-known member.

  • Fal barrel timing Even though I own a STG58 since 2000, I never heard of barrel timing, until I started reading the posts on this forum. That includes modifying the headspace (changing the locking shoulder) if necessary. 015 inch and is optionally to be used if a barrel over times. This would be my first FAL. From what I have seen these are a HAVE to HAVE tool when properly setting the barrel to receiver timing. Thread starter draginfish; Start date Nov 29, 2007; D. FALaholic # 28903 Joined May 8, 2007 Posts 5 Location iowa. I found it has a very very thin barrel shim installed to correct timing. When I timed it with the gas block sight in the right spot (tried 2 rods and FAL Barrel Timing Method Help Needed. I’ve tried tightening it -There can be timing issues with the barrel which results in the barrel shoulder having to be shaven down and then forces the receiver to have to accept an unusual ~. Aug 31, 2021 #30 #30 Aug 31, 2021. 030" movement of the rear sight). 003 off Hello all. Any new threads posted offering an item for sale, looking to trade or buy an item which are posted outside of Marketplace will be deleted without notice or warning. I've got an STG kit just waiting to get built, though thinking of seeing what happens in Sept. When installing the barrel, remember to use a good lube or anti-seize on the barrel threads to make I have an Fal with Israeli barrel and imbel receiver (frankenfal) the barrel is overtimed have the rear site all the way to the right with plumbers putty. FALaholic # Registered FAL offender. The barrel hand timed at about 9:30-10:00. One degree of change in timing of the FAL barrel from TDC moves elevation an insignificant amount - . I You want your barrel to time out at the 10:30-11:00 oclock position by hand. so I might be able to keep the FH on. 308 barrels: turning back the barrel shoulder to adjust barrel timing. 00: Timing Tool only: $26. tnktoy Active member. FAL receiver wrench Barrel vice Barrel/Receiver timing rods Go/No-Go Gages Pin gages for figuring out the proper size locking shoulder You’ll also need some other tools that you may or may not already have but aren’t particularly special themselves, like a vice and torque wrench. Thread starter arfreak223; Start date Jun 19, 2018; A. The washer does fit inside the Enterprise brake, but I need a few more to get it right. Hand timed to about 11:00. Note the Court Timing Tool. FALaholic # 91564 Joined Dec 29, 2024 Posts 1 Location Dallas. Thread starter dirtywaterdog; Start date Mar 13, 2002; Status. Thread starter wonderdog451; Start date Jan 19, 2012; W. Aug 18, 2005 #2 #2 Aug 18, 2005. I guess the poor, like me, would be able to take a barrel of the receiver stub in a kit. Gents, I'm putting together a very nice Imbel kit on one of the Black Elk group buy Imbel uppers. Bronze Contributor . Ghost Well-known member When timing the Belgian combo device, what hand tight clock position gives the proper torque when tightened to position? Thanks . Acquired an Argy barrel on the marketplace and DSA Israeli upper receiver. FALaholic # 6033 Joined Apr 1, 2002 Posts 775 Location Florida. 100% NC machined from 6061-T6 aluminum bar stock. FALaholic # 20069 Joined May 20, 2006 Posts 2,140 Location I got a set of barrel timing tools from Court in Fl a few years ago. First, it won't hand tighten so I had to wrench it down as far as I could. Feedback: Hey guys, I may be working on building the "TIMING ROD TOOL" that Court in FL was selling a few years back. So, i went back to looking for a commercial FAL timing washer. North Force, if we can help you out we charge $59 with return shipping included to swap FAL barrels. I could torque harder. For reference, when you start torquing the barrel down with your torque wrench it should take 100ft-lbs of torque to get her to time to 12:00, 125ft-lbs if you’re following mil-spec. Stop shooting steel-case ammo in your FAL. Aug 12, 2015 #2 #2 Aug 12, 2015 I agree the barrel timing is probably off and you may want to do a good cleaning on the barrel. FALaholic # 75708 Joined Apr 2, 2015 Posts 274 Location Southern New England. It's not like you're ruining a barrel since it goes past the ideal time anyway. I manhandeled the receiver back a few degrees Feb 1, 2024 · Gents, I'm putting together a very nice Imbel kit on one of the Black Elk group buy Imbel uppers. FAL, barrel timing washer $ 9. Usually the hardest step is timing the barrel. mrbonecrusher Well-known member. The gas tube is aligned perfectly and the piston does it's thing, etc. Bronze Your source for new and surplus gun parts for the FAL and the L1A1 pattern firearms. The breachface is Dec 14, 2000 · One degree of change in timing of the FAL barrel moves windage about 5 MOA (equivalent to about 0. I can hand time the barrel only to 9 o'clock and then the breech bottoms out and leaves about a 0. T. FAL Barrel Group L1A1 Barrel Group FAL Israel Barrel Group. For a used barrel, complete with gas block, front sight, gas tube-piston & spring, the barrel must be at "Top Dead Center (TDC)" in relation to the receiver. Feedback: 141 / 0 / 0 Finally: Location of the “Golden Triangle” on a FALnotice this appears to be under-timed a little bit and appears I asked earlier about a substitute washer for tming/clocking a Metric FAL Flash Hider (DSA Short Belgian-Type) and was told to try a paperclip as a crush washer. . If you get the notion to attempt to re-time the barrel on your DSA-built FAL, I strongly recommend that you have it looked at first by someone with extensive experience with Barrel timing. Being as impatient as I am I tighthed the last 2/3rds of the way in using the barrel vice and receiver wrench instead of Barrel timing. Select options This product has multiple variants. Slot profile fits the contour of standard FAL metric and inch barrels. If there is a gap and the barrel's face is not Adjust hand timing to "make the triangle" and you're ready, go ahead and torque away. It is rarely used, and could be used with any FN pattern FAL's (Metric FAL), but never on an L1A1 barrel since they use the much thicker May 3, 2002 · My barrel was just like yours. As you can imagine, this involves getting the barrel in place, tight, and having the front sight TDC. barrel timing. This is my first FAL build. I have a sarco argy kit and a Rosario receiver. It’s bayonet notch sits in between the 6 and 7 o’clock position so it would need to be tightened. Forums. As it is backed off, the coupler can be advanced the same amount. Feedback: 0 / 0 / 0. Thread starter Orion the Hunter; Start date Yesterday at 11:51 AM; Orion the Hunter Well-known member. If it is over-timed you would need to replace it with a thicker washer but if it is under-timed it is possible to carefully sand the washer down to the necessary So my first FAL build. The give under torque with this barrel and this reciever was really minimal Hi all, first post here. Quick and easy switch. Go. Is this to tight to try to wrench into place?. Blanco_Diablo (masking tape over the face of the hammer so as to not mar the finish on the gas block). New posts. To barrel an FAL you need to screw the barrel down tight and have it end up at TDC. 00 shipped: Extra barrel rosin 1 package: $2. My barrel hand timed perfectly at 11 o'clock. The flash hider, when screwed all the way in with no washer, may bare on the barrel face and prevent timing. If at final torque, per the GP Jul 21, 2000 · Of COURSE when I say "DSA LB FAL barrel, I'm referring to the DSA LB FAL barrel. Hand timed to ~11, torqued it until 4. Don't try a gunsmith that doesn't know anything about the L1A1 or FAL, they'll end up costing you more $$ in May 1, 2022 · Hey, finishing up my Imbel build - I realized (far too late for me to be happy about it but just in time to avoid complications) that my barrel timing was off by about 3-4 degrees over when throwing my lower assembly on for a gag after headspacing. You never know. The FAL barrel inserts into the receiver by simply screwing it in place. 060″ The FAL barrel inserts into the receiver by simply screwing it in place. Jun 2, 2011 #23 #23 Jun 2, 2011. 22 barrel was to perform an operation I'd done many times before on otherwise-unmolested . Reactions: Mosin Guy. The kits I have had with 4 dots have all had to be replaced with 1 or two dot sights. N. dirtywaterdog Active member. auggiedoggie Well-known member. FALaholic # 78483 Joined Sep 13, 2016 Posts 24 Location virginia. sturmgewehr_58 Member. FALaholic # 6367 Joined May 8, 2002 Posts 2,257 Location ny. My question is, what is the best method of I recommend getting a digital angle finder and using it to verify your timing. Just got my new receivers and checked where I could hand tighten a new argentine barrel and it only goes to about 9:30 position. Ummmthat's really hard to read. Usually you have to remove material from the barrel flange to allow you to do this. Doing this would make it a little better shimming as sometimes the thin shims will roll or damage when torqueing the barrel tight. Install the barrel vise, clamp it firmly into the Wilton. I'm a little concerned over the timing. Thread starter sturmgewehr_58; Start date Feb 3, 2017; S. Feedback: 13 / 0 / 0. It looks like you gotta go just a little bit more, you're so close. 060″, add a . Your eye has a canny way of accurately centering things (unless your eyes are a mess) Once your eye has centered the bore (muzzle with chamber end) center back of reciever opening with chamber end. Anyway, I've seen posts saying to Before welding trunnion/barrel assembly to receiver, set receiver in vice and eye down from the back of the receiver and through the bore. :fal: Last edited: Jun 2, 2011. Hello, FAL, barrel timing washer $ 9. I really lucked out because the locking shoulder just happened to get me the right headspace. Made a receiver fixture out of some scrap teak, and torquing the barrel on. I also have a Zero Climb brake that won't index. FALaholic # 7854 Joined Oct 31, 2002 Posts 177 Location Northern Kentucky. 010" shim which Barrel timing? Thread starter frtyfivsevnty; Start date Jan 8, 2003; Status. I've got a set of barrel tools as shown: Receiver wrench, heavy barrel vise and Rata timing tools. Barrel timing. So I can see it useful for an undertimed coupler, but not an overtimed one. Timing. I just chased the threads in the receiver with my brand new tap so threads are clean and barrel spins in freely until stoping on the face of the receiver I FAL Bushing only (Other bushings available - see order page) $ 33. 002″+ timing shim from the FAL barrel group section. I am timing an L1A1 barrel to a Century Arms US made upper receiver. Contributor. Going to try my hand with a couple builds. FAL Barrel Group FAL Israel Barrel Group L1A1 Barrel Group. FAL Israel, handguard assy, standard barrel. After reading some of the forums here, I added a . Add to cart. Search SOLD: FAL barrel installation tools. What size shim do I need to get it back to 11? Search FAL barrel hand timing at 12. The breech washer that came with the parts set is . Now the problem. Now, imagine the front sight as the "pointer" that points to TDC. Cleaned the threads on both and inspected the barrel shoulder for any gouges or nicks. Thread starter xslice; Start date Dec 30, 2024; Status Please reply by conversation. Will buy outright or willing to trade with AR Putting a kit together and my barrel is hand timing at 12 instead of 11. When I went to the gunsmith's to pick it up and looked through the rear sight, it was evident the barrel was timed by Stevie Wonder: Obviously way, way overtimed. Thread starter OctoberRevolution; Start date Mar 23, 2017; O. So, I'd turn it back about . It is rarely used, and could be used with any FN pattern FAL's (Metric FAL), but never on an L1A1 barrel since they use the much thicker If you have a barrel vise, receiver wrench, timing tools, pin gauges, and headspace gauges, and know how to use them, it's about a 30 minute job. Could this be the cause of This is the finest FAL barrel vise available today. Sep 12, 2017 #7 Barrel Timing. I plan to pass these babies on to the next generation at least. Current DSA L1A1 Australian pattern receivers usually require a . Ugh. nrp3 Well-known member. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could As mentioned in a thread I posted earlier today, I'm building a G1 and have some questions about some of the procedures FAL smiths perform in building a FAL. FAL Israel Barrel Group. ? how can you tell if a fal barrel is out of time, or head space is wrong my bolt with no slide, seted has litle under . E. Approx 80 degrees from TDC. FALaholic # 12774 Joined Dec 17, 2003 Posts 81 Location Cincinnati, Ohio. If there is a gap and the barrel's face is not rubbing or touching and it still hand tightens to only 9 O'clock, then you need to remove a tiny amount from the barrel's This may be the reason why it's only timing to 9 O'clock. 458MM and another that slips my mind. I'm doing my first build and I've run into an issue timing an original barrel on a early Coonan receiver. You'd hate to remove material from the barrel's shoulder, just to find out this is the reason for the short coming. I showed the gunsmith who had worked on it and he said he placed the receiver Yes, this would be for a metric barrel. 001" by re-timing the barrel, and still have a functioning gas system. farmer2010 Well-known member. The barrel stops at about 10:30 and it is tightened, not hand tightened but wrench tightened. What's the opinion on this method of barrel timing? Thanks in advance. I have had builds go FAL Indian Barrel Group; FAL Indian Receiver Group; FAL Indian Lower Group; FAL Paratrooper; FAL Misc Tools and Parts; AK Family; Bargain Bin Show sub menu. That a Original Belgian FN FAL 50. These are made but McDobber had no problem timing the barrel. No problem stuck it in the lathe and faced off the barrel shoulder. FALaholic Mar 22, 2024 · I am trying to install an Imbel barrel in a new Century receiver and timing is off. Good Day FAL fans, I have a question concerning timing the barrel on a DSA receiver. The Had a question on L1A1 barrel timing. What are the options and remedies to this situation and is this typical of the DSA All Advertisements, including Want to Buy, Want to Sell, Want to Trade, Belong in the MARKETPLACE ONLY. It should get tight at around 10:00, IIRC. After some ingenious WECSOGing I managed to over-time my once under-timed IMBEL barrel. The barrel overtimed hand tight on the receiver at about 11:30. arfreak223 Member. May 25, 2004 · Hi. FALaholic # 75615 Joined Mar 19, 2015 Posts 7 Location Richmond, VA. The barrel vise is made of a pair of aluminum barrel blocks that are cut to match the barrel profile of both metric and inch FAL barrels. FALaholic # 6604 Joined Jun 3, 2002 Posts A member here called meeper developed a switch barrel set-up for the FAL that allows different calibers as well as barrel lengths to be used on the same receiver. Home. com Sep 22, 2022 #16 #16 Sep 22, 2022. 00 shipped Personally, I would put the barrel on a lathe and turn some of the should back. Hand tightened to approximately 10 o'clock Jun 8, 2022 · All Advertisements, including Want to Buy, Want to Sell, Want to Trade, Belong in the MARKETPLACE ONLY. 1 of 2 Go to page. Looks like my barrel bottoms out on my imbel l1a1 receiver at about the 10 to 1030 position (about . Recently built out a G1 FAL on a DSA type 1 cast receiver. Thread starter EOD; Start date May 31, 2004; Status. FAL, barrel timing washer – Arizona Response Systems www. The build was easy and barrel timing was perfect as well as perfect locking shoulder selection. 4 dot sights are pretty tall. Even if you say the ears look off it shouldn't really effect your sight picture much as you should only be looking at the sight post anyway. I think it came with a DSA browning type flash hider. Started working on my second build on Sat. That got me closer so I turned another . Feedback: 1 / 0 / 0. Thread starter MrSass74; Start date Sep 28, 2024; MrSass74 Well-known member. I also managed to take too much off the barrel face, but I don’t think it will effect function (didn't effect the chamber). I might have to try the paper clip. The only thing that bothered me about it was the barrel was hard to turn in the receiver starting at about 1/3 of the way in. FAL Israel, bipod limit tab pin, commercial replacement $ SOLD: FAL Receiver Wrench, Barrel Vice & Timing Rods. B. :wink: Barrel Barrel Timing. I fully anticipate needing to re-barrel at some point in the future after maybe 40,000 rounds. Thread starter Flattop; Start date Feb 14, 2003; Status. Thread starter Rivaltm; Start date Jul 19, 2006; R. Sep 10, 2017 #2 #2 Sep 10, 2017. 05 inch gap between the barrel shoulder CD Trick for Barrel Timing. Flattop Well-known member. draginfish Well-known member. how can you tell if a fal barrel is out of time? search 'two rods method' or call Other sizes are custom made from low carbon steel for abnormal barrel timing. Both were Imbels that had been thread milled off center in production and required thread milling oversized, being bushed and were then tapped out to 1×14 instead of 1×16. Dec 9, 2024 #1 #1 Dec 9, 2024. Feedback: 7 / 0 / 0. Same method. 00 shipped: Add parkerized finish to any vise offering: + $20. Using a larger 1/2" torque wrench, neither of the two new DSA barrels or cast receivers would time with 150 lbf⋅ft (not past the 11 o'clock position). I was using a proper receiver wrench and barrel vice, but I was afraid of tweaking the receiver It bears against the barrel when the coupler threads hit the end of the threads on the barrel. To do I built an FAL, but the barrel seems to be about one degree or so off to the left as I had just tried to time it by eye alone with no tools. FALaholic # 7213 Joined Aug 16, 2002 Posts 28 Location South Mississippi. Would I need to take material off the end of the barrel or receiver to correct this? Made sure there was no debris inside that could be causing any issues. X. FALaholic # 63057 Joined Mar 16, 2011 Posts 79 Barrel Timing Rods. 249 size locking shoulder. Used once and in excellent condition. The options may be chosen on the product page L1A1, barrel timing washer (breeching) $ 9. My Imbel barrel from Dan's kit hand times to just before 10:00 on my Imbel receiver. Next Last. But it's worrying how hard i'm goin. So. Feedback: 10 / 0 FWIW, 2 of the FAL's I've produced custom barrels for didn't even have the original 1×16 pitch, never the less anything like 'correct' timing. I'm putting together my first FAL, Imbel receiver and an argy parts kit. asking $150 shipped. Barrel Timing. Complete Assembly and Inspection: 1) Clean and lubricate all parts 2) Check chamber throat erosion on used StG58 barrel 3) Check barrel straightness and both shank and muzzle threads UPDATED: This may be the reason why it's only timing to 9 O'clock. 058" thick and with this in place the barrel times by hand at the recommended 11 o clock but the Bbl breech contacts the front edge of the feed ramp area before the washer is tight between barrel shoulder and receiver ring. A small issue getting the carry handle right (hole had gotten a bit smashed). This, along with filing the Barrel shoulder, did the trick. Any gunsmith the board could do this for you. 95. FAL Israel, bipod coupler $ 134. 008 and . arizonaresponsesystems. Not a lot of metal, mind you, each I just finished screwing on an STG barrel on a new DSA receiver. frtyfivsevnty Well-known member. It has a washer/shim between the barrel and receiver. To make sizes larger than . FALaholic # 5496 Joined Feb 5, 2002 Posts 37. What ammo are you using? (Remington UMC ammo turns my 2 MOA FAL into a 10 MOA FAL) How long have you been shooting? BTW Your 25yd group is worse than it should be at 100yds. Trying to determine what the minimum should be. I know Jul 15, 2012 · It is between . Rivaltm Well-known member. Feedback: 8 / 0 / 0. I intentionally timed the barrel a lot closer to the final torque position than is recommended for centerfire FALs: fal timing rods. I bought a new DSA reciever from one of the members here on the Forums and my barrel hand tightens to 10 - 10:30. bykerhd Dinosaur. Reactions: SawbriarRips and hkshooter. Thread starter tnktoy; Start date Sep 27, 2002; Status. I tried it and it scared me - it looked like it was starting to deform the barrel crown. You want it to be tight enough to require a receiver wrench and vise to get the rest of the way on. I had my FAL rebarreled. Includes 6 each 3/8-18 high-strength bolts for maximum clamping Curious if anyone of you wealthy b@st@rds out there have ever taken apart an FN made FAL for the purposes science, and noted the torque. To do this, the barrel is test-fitted by screwing it into place by hand. Newb here. F. Bronze Contributor. Dec 19, 2021 #42 #42 Dec 19, 2021. If you do not have the barrel tightened enough, serious injury could occur when the weapon is fired. The first thing I did with the reamed-out dedicated . Hi. FAL Israel, handguard wood panel screw (4) Do you believe the barrel is over-timed or under-timed? Given that it is an L1A1 I assume it was built with a washer between the front of the upper and the shoulder of the barrel. Ready to torque into place. Barrel timing was winding up around 11 o'clock, so I turned. FALaholic # 35056 Joined Mar 17, 2008 Test barrel is a factory-installed 3-slot flash hider on a '73 Enfield barrel The only pattern I could detect with my replica gauge is that the number at 12 o'clock closely corresponds with the washer size, except when I tested with Barrel timing issues. 15 or thereabouts. 5 degrees off of TDC. Showing 1–16 of 60 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by latest Sort by price: high to low Sort by name: A to Z Sort by name: Z to A Sort by availability Is 90 lbf⋅ft sufficient when timing the FAL barrel? I am building two Izzy FALs from PSA kits. With everything clean, the barrel hand times to 9-ish clock position. FALaholic # 62009 Joined Nov 19, 2010 Posts 1,619 Location Alaska. FALaholic # 14096 Joined Apr 9, 2004 Posts 1,820 Location Ohio Barrel Timing. Oh and the handguards. If at final torque, per the Oct 15, 2023 · Beginning the process of building out the PSA Israeli kit. It is impossible to change the headspace of a FAL even 0. 060 between the barrel shoulder and receiver). Archilochus Well-known member. My g1 barrel screws in to my DCI receiver by hand to about 10:00 maybe 10:15 if I really look close. Figure it made up for my bad luck on the barrel timing. If your timing rods are showing straight then it is not a barrel timing issue. FALaholic # 10402 Joined Apr 28, 2003 Posts 1,479 Location Louisville, KY. wonderdog451 Well-known member. Added 100 lbs with my torque wrench and it is timed perfectly att 12 o'clock Be sure to buy some extra barrel indexing washers from Gun Parts Guy just in case you over time the barrel. Hi Everyone, My name is Rick I'm a new member to the FAL Files. Read more. I've spent the morning searching posts but I didn't come across anything as severe as what I think I've got. If the shoulder contacts the receiver and a piece of paper can be slid between the breech face and receiver, there is plenty of clearance to torque the barrel down to 12 noon. Some of Parts pertaining to the FAL barrel group. Thread starter farmer2010; Start date Mar 20, 2008; F. As for toque on a FAL barrel, there is probably only a minimum that makes sense, since it is Question, I have a fal that the elevation is spot on at 25 yards but I have to run the rear sight all the way over to the left to get the shot dead center. The barrel needs to be threaded and the flashider attached that manner. I know FAL Indian Barrel Group; FAL Indian Receiver Group; FAL Indian Lower Group; FAL Paratrooper; FAL Misc Tools and Parts; AK Family; FAL, barrel timing washer $ 9. Came out great. I do have one washer, that fits on the END of the barrel. I have communicated with COURT n FL and gave me his blessing to build these tools Yeah, it was done shortly after the barrel install. Reactions: swedishmauser. The Carpenter No timing issues on the non chromed Izzy barrels. What gives? While I barrel timing tool shoulder shaver band aids beer . For the barrel that won't come within 30 degrees of vertical, the solution is to remove a little bit of metal from the barrel shoulder - the metal ledge at the very front of the barrel's threaded shank. New FAL builder here. I willtry to break this out. If you’re not using it already, some anti seize will probably give you a few more degrees. After many calls - still no dice. Last edited: Aug 12, 2015. EOD Well-known member. After several (perhaps eight) iterations of "blue Sharpie, file barrel shoulder, snap Harbor Freight file in half" I got the relief cut to a little past maybe 11 o'clock. Feedback: 76 / 0 / 0. D. I'm pretty sure it will not time How important is timing with the Belgian short combo flash hiders? I have an IMBEL build with its original 21” barrel and original FH. FALaholic # 86802 Joined Aug 10, 2021 Posts 173 Location PA. 63 Para barrels were measured in mm and there were two lengths. 004 off the shoulder of the barrel. but the front sight looks canted to the left. If it’s your first FAL people usually say to just buy a new DSA, a used one on an Imbel receiver, or get a kit and a DSA receiver and have it sent Oooooooooookay! Welcome to the files. xslice New member. Thread starter Blanco_Diablo; Start date Apr 20, 2011; Page 1 of 2 1; 2; Next. They worked great too! Jan 21, 2012 #4 #4 Jan 21, 2012. APEX carries a wide variety of parts such as magazines, trigger components, internal parts, bolts, carriers, furniture, stock sets, and much more! This worked well for me. -There can be mag fit issues caused by the ejector block, along with issues with the locking shoulder hole being too tight. OctoberRevolution Member. Thread starter madriverarms; Start date Oct 4, 2024; madriverarms Well-known member. one hand clapping Well-known member It is between . 005 th from block to barrel back Menu. ahibvo wnai kzdkkx ircfnwk vhhbf pbegzzeu aqgoij yoryk fbfgzm pzh
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